Carbohydrates - Page 2

Conan the Librarian · 25-01-2010, 08:30 AM

so why were their very few 30's and 40's 40 years ago.

im probably wrong about the carbohydrate thing Jimmy, I just slung that in as a bit of a pub chuck, and caught you

but it does beg the question, why?

jimmyg · 25-01-2010, 08:34 AM

LOL conan
more larger fish these days as there's more been stocked, better breeding of strains of faster growing carp.
And probably the biggest contributer is the amount of bait being put into lakes by anglers but the size gain isnt down to carbs.Fish gain weight through fats and protiens.

Conan the Librarian · 25-01-2010, 10:26 AM

I must admit that I know very little about fishes metabolism but I do know that carbs are very very fattening to humans and apart from a very small amount of carbs being needed by the brain (about 100g per day or less) for it to function properly, carbs have no nutritional value what so ever to human life. Untill recently the Inuit Eskimos ate a diet with zero carbs and did quite well on it, only since junk processed food high in carbohydrate was introduced to their diet did their incidence of heart disease and general poor health soar.

Maybe the amount of bait introduced by anglers over the last 40 years has helped our fish (not just carp) grow and grow, or perhaps the amount of bait introduced by anglers has helped increase the amount of natural food available in our lakes.

I am sure however that if we had not seen the wholesale use of boilies that occurred back in the early 80's we would not have the size of fish (all species) that we have in our waters today.

Then again, I've not spouted so much bollocks on a forum for a very long time - sort of thinking aloud

RJ79 · 25-01-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyg

LOL .Fish gain weight through fats and protiens.

Take carbs away from carp and they will be fine, take away their fat and protein and they will be fcuked.

RJ79 · 25-01-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan the Librarian

I must admit that I know very little about fishes metabolism but I do know that carbs are very very fattening to humans and apart from a very small amount of carbs being needed by the brain (about 100g per day or less) for it to function properly, carbs have no nutritional value what so ever to human life. Untill recently the Inuit Eskimos ate a diet with zero carbs and did quite well on it, only since junk processed food high in carbohydrate was introduced to their diet did their incidence of heart disease and general poor health soar.

Humans need only about 30 grams of carbs a day for their brain to function properly humans have evolved on Meat, Fish, (protein and fat) Fruit veg (carbs)
And nuts (protein, fat, and carbs)
If need be the human body can convert protein into carbs because the human body does need a little bit, I think the statement that carbs have no nutritional value what so ever to human life is a bit off the deepend.

old git · 25-01-2010, 06:24 PM

Growth rates? Think its the weed. If you remember Conan, back in the day when we were fishing in Kent how many lakes had weed?
Nowadays most lakes have loads of the stuff which has increased the lakes natural food supply 100 fold. After all carp know their larders far better than we ever could and know the optimum time to harvest them.
IMO boiles are a very small part of the equation.

QuietlyAvinEm · 25-01-2010, 06:28 PM

Carp are bigger nowadays.......................................... apart from Redmire??
Didn't any big fish caught back in the day get ky-boshed, never to get any bigger in that glass case that was their final resting place.
Wasn't the gear too coarse to entice a bite and if fined down you'd surely lose the beast?

Love these diet-requirement threads and what's best....(I'mbeing serious as well)....threads!

Back in a bit lads, dinner time or hassle

Gary poacher · 28-01-2010, 09:20 PM

Do we REALLY know anything about carp ? i dont think we know as much as we claim

RJ79 · 28-01-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary poacher

Do we REALLY know anything about carp ? i dont think we know as much as we claim

You obviously dont, because if you did you would make bait that carp would actually eat!

Gary poacher · 29-01-2010, 06:59 AM

its caught more carp than you could count ya coooorrrnnnt

boyley · 29-01-2010, 07:28 AM

wouldn't fish with anything else. always used Gal's bait and always caught as have all my mates. as good as anything out there imo. KEEP IT UP POOCHER!

Gary poacher · 29-01-2010, 11:23 AM

i will mate i take no notice of no nothing cooorrnnts who pay to much for there carp shit,

Linus Pauling · 03-02-2010, 02:17 AM

Primary dietary requirements for a carp

Amino acids
Fatty acids
vits and minerals

Chuck in a few carbs and let the carp use up all the other essential things to get bigger and meet all dietary/metabolic requirements.Its simple its called 'protein sparing'

Deancowell · 03-02-2010, 10:41 AM

Linus,SPOT ON MATE!!!!

bivvyrat · 05-02-2010, 10:48 PM

all this protine carb vitamins just put a piece of golden corn on, probely acounts for more carp than most boilies

Gary poacher · 06-02-2010, 07:07 AM

Also spot on bivvyrat

25-01-2010, 08:30 AM	#21
Conan the Librarian Senior Member Conan the Librarian is thinking, Ketamine, just say neigh Edit Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 58 Posts: 456	so why were their very few 30's and 40's 40 years ago. im probably wrong about the carbohydrate thing Jimmy, I just slung that in as a bit of a pub chuck, and caught you but it does beg the question, why? __________________ If you force sex on a prostitute is it rape or shop lifting??

25-01-2010, 08:34 AM	#22
jimmyg Carpy Elite jimmyg is dennis taylor's bastard love child Edit Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: aylesbury Posts: 3,011	LOL conan more larger fish these days as there's more been stocked, better breeding of strains of faster growing carp. And probably the biggest contributer is the amount of bait being put into lakes by anglers but the size gain isnt down to carbs.Fish gain weight through fats and protiens. __________________ should have gone to specsavers!

25-01-2010, 10:26 AM	#23
Conan the Librarian Senior Member Conan the Librarian is thinking, Ketamine, just say neigh Edit Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 58 Posts: 456	I must admit that I know very little about fishes metabolism but I do know that carbs are very very fattening to humans and apart from a very small amount of carbs being needed by the brain (about 100g per day or less) for it to function properly, carbs have no nutritional value what so ever to human life. Untill recently the Inuit Eskimos ate a diet with zero carbs and did quite well on it, only since junk processed food high in carbohydrate was introduced to their diet did their incidence of heart disease and general poor health soar. Maybe the amount of bait introduced by anglers over the last 40 years has helped our fish (not just carp) grow and grow, or perhaps the amount of bait introduced by anglers has helped increase the amount of natural food available in our lakes. I am sure however that if we had not seen the wholesale use of boilies that occurred back in the early 80's we would not have the size of fish (all species) that we have in our waters today. Then again, I've not spouted so much bollocks on a forum for a very long time - sort of thinking aloud __________________ If you force sex on a prostitute is it rape or shop lifting??

25-01-2010, 06:24 PM	#26
old git Senior Member old git is A gentlemen Edit Join Date: Feb 2009 Age: 46 Posts: 183	Growth rates? Think its the weed. If you remember Conan, back in the day when we were fishing in Kent how many lakes had weed? Nowadays most lakes have loads of the stuff which has increased the lakes natural food supply 100 fold. After all carp know their larders far better than we ever could and know the optimum time to harvest them. IMO boiles are a very small part of the equation. __________________ Is very old, stinks of piss and is a wannabee carp talk regular.

25-01-2010, 06:28 PM	#27
QuietlyAvinEm *** Slut QuietlyAvinEm is gonna fook you oop! Edit** Join Date: Feb 1972 Age: 42 Posts: 1,114	Carp are bigger nowadays.......................................... apart from Redmire?? Didn't any big fish caught back in the day get ky-boshed, never to get any bigger in that glass case that was their final resting place. Wasn't the gear too coarse to entice a bite and if fined down you'd surely lose the beast? Love these diet-requirement threads and what's best....(I'mbeing serious as well)....threads! Back in a bit lads, dinner time or hassle __________________

28-01-2010, 09:20 PM	#28
Gary poacher Senior Member Gary poacher has no status. Edit Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 47 Posts: 994	Do we REALLY know anything about carp ? i dont think we know as much as we claim

29-01-2010, 06:59 AM	#30
Gary poacher Senior Member Gary poacher has no status. Edit Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 47 Posts: 994	its caught more carp than you could count ya coooorrrnnnt

29-01-2010, 07:28 AM	#31
boyley Member boyley is inventing the new anal bead rig... Edit Join Date: Oct 2009 Age: 27 Posts: 68	wouldn't fish with anything else. always used Gal's bait and always caught as have all my mates. as good as anything out there imo. KEEP IT UP POOCHER!

29-01-2010, 11:23 AM	#32
Gary poacher Senior Member Gary poacher has no status. Edit Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 47 Posts: 994	i will mate i take no notice of no nothing cooorrnnts who pay to much for there carp shit,

03-02-2010, 02:17 AM	#33
Linus Pauling Member Linus Pauling has no status. Edit Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Heaven Posts: 96	carbs Primary dietary requirements for a carp Amino acids Fatty acids vits and minerals Chuck in a few carbs and let the carp use up all the other essential things to get bigger and meet all dietary/metabolic requirements.Its simple its called 'protein sparing'

03-02-2010, 10:41 AM	#34
Deancowell Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kent Age: 43 Posts: 82	Linus,SPOT ON MATE!!!!

05-02-2010, 10:48 PM	#35
bivvyrat Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 42 Posts: 14	all this protine carb vitamins just put a piece of golden corn on, probely acounts for more carp than most boilies

06-02-2010, 07:07 AM	#36
Gary poacher Senior Member Gary poacher has no status. Edit Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 47 Posts: 994	Also spot on bivvyrat